One viewer expressed the point of landlords:
“Yes, many neighborhoods have gotten worse. Yes, in many areas, over 70% of rental applicants have evictions, criminal history and poverty level income. Before you lay our current society’s woes on the usual scapegoat, the landlord, let’s look as some facts.
1. Real estate investors who have poured their life savings, 80 hour work weeks and put up with more grief than a average person can possibly imagine; have lost everything in the last five years. Their rental properties have lost 50% to 70% value. Rental rates are down as much as 30% since 2007.
2. Instead of sharing the burden of horrendous property value losses; mortgage lenders have responded with fraudelent foreclosure actions. If they are uncontested in court, the majority of lenders recover houses in foreclosure with forged mortgage assignments, phony note endorsements, prejured notaries, signors and witnesses to documents.
3. The typical foreclosure judgment is for an amount that far exceeds market value of a property. The lender gets the property back at the foreclosure sale because no one is going to pay the judgment amount. The lender then gives the house to a Realtor who puts the property on the market at today’s value and the lender takes the loss. Now, what if the lender worked with the original owner/investor, took the loss of loan principal up front and shared the rental income and future appreciation. Foreclosure, vacant houses and desperate investors might be avoided. Sales on post foreclosed houses creates lower sales comps which appraisals of other houses are based on. It is a vicious cycle.
4. So, if a landlord who has lost many years of blood, sweat and tears on rental properties and has reinvested most of their measley rental profits back in to properties, i.e. stolen air conditioners, stolen refrigerators and stoves, burn holes in custom kitchen cabinets and of course eviction proceedings to take back a rented house from a tenant that has stiffed him/her for months of rents and trashed the house, etc.; what right does anybody have to call that broke landlord “unscrupulous” because they are trying to salvage what ever funds they can out of a house before they lose it forever. This is not an excuse for landlords who do not adhere to Florida Statute Chapter 83 Landlord/Tenant Act.
5. Very few investors make money renting houses unless there is no mortgage. The objective is to hold a property for decades, pay down the mortgage, property taxes, rising insurance rates and all the other aforementioned expenses with the hope of some day selling the property that has appreciated in value. The problem now, property values have been set back to 1990s levels. Decades of appreciation have been lost.
6. All the alleged assistance for homeowners during this historical cataclysmic crash of the housing market does not apply to investment properties. How does a landlord qualify for a loan modification when income is a fraction of expenses?
There is plenty of blame to go around for America’s deteriotaing society. Before you hang a landlord, walk a mile in his/her shoes.”
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Dandelion and sandspur hell!!
Yes, many neighborhoods have gotten worse. Yes, in many areas, over 70% of rental applicants have evictions, criminal history and poverty level income. Before you lay our current society's woes on the usual scapegoat, the landlord, let's look as some facts.1. Real estate investors who have poured their life savings, 80 hour work weeks and put up with more grief than a average person can possibly imagine; have lost everything in the last five years. Their rental properties have lost 50% to 70% value. Rental rates are down as much as 30% since 2007. 2. Instead of sharing the burden of horrendous property value losses; mortgage lenders have responded with fraudelent foreclosure actions. If they are uncontested in court, the majority of lenders recover houses in foreclosure with forged mortgage assignments, phony note endorsements, prejured notaries, signors and witnesses to documents. 3. The typical foreclosure judgment is for an amount that far exceeds market value of a property. The lender gets the property back at the foreclosure sale because no one is going to pay the judgment amount. The lender then gives the house to a Realtor who puts the property on the market at today's value and the lender takes the loss. Now, what if the lender worked with the original owner/investor, took the loss of loan principal up front and shared the rental income and future appreciation. Foreclosure, vacant houses and desperate investors might be avoided. Sales on post foreclosed houses creates lower sales comps which appraisals of other houses are based on. It is a vicious cycle.4. So, if a landlord who has lost many years of blood, sweat and tears on rental properties and has reinvested most of their measley rental profits back in to properties, i.e. stolen air conditioners, stolen refrigerators and stoves, burn holes in custom kitchen cabinets and of course eviction proceedings to take back a rented house from a tenant that has stiffed him/her for months of rents and trashed the house, etc.; what right does anybody have to call that broke landlord "unscrupulous" because they are trying to salvage what ever funds they can out of a house before they lose it forever. This is not an excuse for landlords who do not adhere to Florida Statute Chapter 83 Landlord/Tenant Act.5. Very few investors make money renting houses unless there is no mortgage. The objective is to hold a property for decades, pay down the mortgage, property taxes, rising insurance rates and all the other aforementioned expenses with the hope of some day selling the property that has appreciated in value. The problem now, property values have been set back to 1990s levels. Decades of appreciation have been lost. 6. All the alleged assistance for homeowners during this historical cataclysmic crash of the housing market does not apply to investment properties. How does a landlord qualify for a loan modification when income is a fraction of expenses?There is plenty of blame to go around for America's deteriotaing society. Before you hang a landlord, walk a mile in his/her shoes.
I agree completely with the above I have been a landlord for 8 years in Brevard County. I would have been much better off investing my money and time on something else, but I have learnt a lot, which I hope to put to better use in the future.
This is such a thorough counterpoint, would you like it included in the article?
Sure, you can use my reponse (posted June 10 12:08 pm), however I do not want my name published. I have enough issues to deal with.One other point for those that raise the issue of tenants being thrown out of houses that are in foreclosure; tenants are protected by Federal law."Protecting Tenants at Foreclosure Act of 2009" prohibits new owners from evicting tenants who have valid leases, unless the new owner is going to live in the house. If the new owner is going to be a owner/occupant, the new owner must give something like a 90 day notice to the tenants.According to a recent Orlando Sentinel story by reporter Mary Shanklin, foreclosures are taking 2 1/2 years on the average in Central Florida. Particularly, if they are challenged in court, which all foreclosures should be challenged, due to the rampant foreclosure fraud being perpetrated by plaintiffs. This is not to say, the debt is not owed, but if the foreclosure is challenged there is a chance of a negotiated settlement. Also, the plaintiff will have to prove they actually own the mortgage and note. It is absolutely incredible how many thousands of felonies have been committed by plaintiff attorneys, notaries, witnesses, yet not a single person or firm has been charged.
Dandelion and sandspur hell!!
Yes, many neighborhoods have gotten worse. Yes, in many areas, over 70% of rental applicants have evictions, criminal history and poverty level income. Before you lay our current society's woes on the usual scapegoat, the landlord, let's look as some facts.1. Real estate investors who have poured their life savings, 80 hour work weeks and put up with more grief than a average person can possibly imagine; have lost everything in the last five years. Their rental properties have lost 50% to 70% value. Rental rates are down as much as 30% since 2007. 2. Instead of sharing the burden of horrendous property value losses; mortgage lenders have responded with fraudelent foreclosure actions. If they are uncontested in court, the majority of lenders recover houses in foreclosure with forged mortgage assignments, phony note endorsements, prejured notaries, signors and witnesses to documents. 3. The typical foreclosure judgment is for an amount that far exceeds market value of a property. The lender gets the property back at the foreclosure sale because no one is going to pay the judgment amount. The lender then gives the house to a Realtor who puts the property on the market at today's value and the lender takes the loss. Now, what if the lender worked with the original owner/investor, took the loss of loan principal up front and shared the rental income and future appreciation. Foreclosure, vacant houses and desperate investors might be avoided. Sales on post foreclosed houses creates lower sales comps which appraisals of other houses are based on. It is a vicious cycle.4. So, if a landlord who has lost many years of blood, sweat and tears on rental properties and has reinvested most of their measley rental profits back in to properties, i.e. stolen air conditioners, stolen refrigerators and stoves, burn holes in custom kitchen cabinets and of course eviction proceedings to take back a rented house from a tenant that has stiffed him/her for months of rents and trashed the house, etc.; what right does anybody have to call that broke landlord "unscrupulous" because they are trying to salvage what ever funds they can out of a house before they lose it forever. This is not an excuse for landlords who do not adhere to Florida Statute Chapter 83 Landlord/Tenant Act.5. Very few investors make money renting houses unless there is no mortgage. The objective is to hold a property for decades, pay down the mortgage, property taxes, rising insurance rates and all the other aforementioned expenses with the hope of some day selling the property that has appreciated in value. The problem now, property values have been set back to 1990s levels. Decades of appreciation have been lost. 6. All the alleged assistance for homeowners during this historical cataclysmic crash of the housing market does not apply to investment properties. How does a landlord qualify for a loan modification when income is a fraction of expenses?There is plenty of blame to go around for America's deteriotaing society. Before you hang a landlord, walk a mile in his/her shoes.
I agree completely with the above I have been a landlord for 8 years in Brevard County. I would have been much better off investing my money and time on something else, but I have learnt a lot, which I hope to put to better use in the future.
This is such a thorough counterpoint, would you like it included in the article?
Sure, you can use my reponse (posted June 10 12:08 pm), however I do not want my name published. I have enough issues to deal with.One other point for those that raise the issue of tenants being thrown out of houses that are in foreclosure; tenants are protected by Federal law."Protecting Tenants at Foreclosure Act of 2009" prohibits new owners from evicting tenants who have valid leases, unless the new owner is going to live in the house. If the new owner is going to be a owner/occupant, the new owner must give something like a 90 day notice to the tenants.According to a recent Orlando Sentinel story by reporter Mary Shanklin, foreclosures are taking 2 1/2 years on the average in Central Florida. Particularly, if they are challenged in court, which all foreclosures should be challenged, due to the rampant foreclosure fraud being perpetrated by plaintiffs. This is not to say, the debt is not owed, but if the foreclosure is challenged there is a chance of a negotiated settlement. Also, the plaintiff will have to prove they actually own the mortgage and note. It is absolutely incredible how many thousands of felonies have been committed by plaintiff attorneys, notaries, witnesses, yet not a single person or firm has been charged.